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returntothepit >> discuss >> sXe = gang by the_taste_of_cigarettes on Jun 1,2005 2:37pm
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toggletoggle post by the_taste_of_cigarettes  at Jun 1,2005 2:37pm
Reno police classify Straight Edge as a gang

Jaclyn O'Malley
RENO GAZETTE-JOURNAL
5/30/2005 09:58 pm

You wouldn’t expect a splinter faction of teens that rejects alcohol, tobacco, drugs or promiscuous sex to be an active criminal street gang, but in Washoe County that’s exactly what’s happening, authorities say.

In March — following a six-month investigation — Straight Edge was officially classified a gang by the Regional Gang Unit. Nearly every week, gang officers investigate Straight Edge crimes or harassment that doesn’t seem to subside following arrests.

Authorities describe Straight Edge attacks as random, opportunistic, violent beatings that can be spurred by minor comments from nonmembers. Members — who sometimes use bats, shovels, knives, brass knuckles and Mace — don’t engage in violence unless they can outnumber their targets, police said.

Straight Edgers tend to attack other teens who are publicly engaging in activities Straight Edgers don’t agree with, such as smoking or drinking.

“It’s ironic and disappointing that otherwise good kids are committing crimes to promote their own personal philosophy,” said Lt. Doug Cardwell of the gang unit. “We’ve had more crime attributed to Straight Edge than any criminal street gang this year.”

Police acknowledge that not every student claiming to lead the Straight Edge lifestyle engages in criminal activity. About 20 boys and young men so far have been identified as violent Straight Edge members, authorities said.

Efforts to interview Straight Edge students or parents through phone calls were unsuccessful. Those who were contacted didn’t want to talk for this article because they feared retaliation.

Edgers not involved in criminal activity — whose exact numbers here are unknown — are not considered gangsters, police said. Some teens who believe in the philosophy also have branched off into their own groups and go by different names. Punk rock music initially is what bonds Edgers.

Parents, gang unit officers said, need to be the first point of defense in stopping this violence.

“We hope parents take the time to ask their kids the right questions and make these kids realize how easy life can change with one swing of a bat — they could be facing murder charges,” Sgt. Rick Bjelke said. “Good kids will be spending their life in prison for what? Someone was smoking or drinking?”

Several Straight Edgers in Washoe County are being prosecuted in juvenile court for separate incidents this year, including random beatings and intimidation of non-Straight Edge students and property destruction.

Gang members who are prosecuted for gang-related crimes face sentencing enhancements, which automatically double their punishments. Most are also court-ordered not to associate with other members.

Zero Tolerance

School officials and police say Straight Edge students are enrolled in all district high schools. But most of the violent Edgers attend or have graduated from Reed High School.

“We have a zero-tolerance policy to gang activity on or around campus,” said George Hardaway, Reed’s vice principal of discipline. “Those leaders or members of groups who polarize themselves, label and categorize themselves are individuals we notice. They stick out like a sore thumb.”

School officials took note of some Straight Edge members’ escalating violence and, earlier this school year, held group and parental meetings as well as anger-management classes, Hardaway said.

He said parents of Edgers who are involved in gang activity at school have argued their children have been unfairly punished for school incidents.

“But we don’t profile and we treat everyone the same,” he said. “It’s a battle.”

Washoe County School District police said most Straight Edge incidents have been off school grounds.

“It doesn’t make sense to promote having great values by enforcing it with violence,” said Lt. Dale Richardson of the school district police. “If students are harassed, they need to report it to us so we can take care of it. We want a safe learning environment.”

A movement

Utah law enforcement classified Straight Edge as a gang several years ago, following members’ involvement in a 15-year-old’s death and beatings similar to those that have been seen in Washoe County.

Detective Lex Bell of the Salt Lake Area Gang Project in Utah thinks Straight Edge is popular there because of the strong Latter-day Saints’ influence, which mirrors the group’s core beliefs.

“When these kids are raised with these beliefs and they get to high school, they are exposed to more people and cultures and some get dogged for being LDS,” Bell said. “They can grab onto something like Straight Edge that they think is cool and still represents their beliefs.”

Around the country, Straight Edge is typically associated with a positive image of clean living and punk rock music.

Bell said his experience is that Straight Edgers don’t consider themselves a gang. He said they pride themselves on being part of a worldwide movement with no official leader.

What is Straight Edge?

In a 1983 interview with the Washington Post, punk rocker Ian MacKaye discussed his song “Straight Edge” which described the philosophy of punks against drugs and alcohol. MacKaye, then 21, was the lead singer for the band Minor Threat.

In the article, he discussed his fascination with nonviolent gangs and his disapproval of people choosing to “mess up their lives.” His influence is reportedly how the Straight Edge doctrine of clean living took off across the world.

Gang officers said many Edgers attend local venues for concerts. Some display “X” and “Poison and Drug Free” tattoos on their bodies and wear dark clothes and bandannas.

Gang officer Cardwell said most of the violent Straight Edgers here grew up together and remained friends in high school. No one member appears to lead the group.

What separates the mostly white Straight Edgers from the 20 mostly Hispanic street gangs the gang unit monitors are that its victims are often unknown and randomly targeted based on lifestyle observations, Officer Paul Adamson said. Victims of other gangs are usually known due to a rivalry or debt, he said. Traditional gangs take pride in their criminal image, not for abstaining from substances.

“Typically the gang activity we see here are from kids who come from underprivileged backgrounds whose families work a lot and don’t have a lot of means,” said Roy Stralla, a deputy district attorney who has prosecuted some Straight Edgers.

“But these upper and middle-class kids think the gang lifestyle is a glorified status,” he said. “They have more money and more means to commit acts of violence.”

Stralla said Straight Edge crime appears limited to school issues, such as problems with other students, and has not bled into committing burglaries or selling drugs.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 1,2005 2:40pm
"...or selling drugs."
wtf?



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Jun 1,2005 2:53pm
the_reverend said:
"...or selling drugs."
wtf?


he's saying they're just beating people up not robbing or selling drugs. anyways it's all fucked up beating someone up because of their beliefs or lifestyle yeah kinda lame.



toggletoggle post by RustedAngel at Jun 1,2005 2:58pm
I guess if people want to get fucked up all the time that's okay, so it's dumb to beat up random people because of it. Getting fucked up can effect other people though physically and mentally which I think is wrong.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 1,2005 2:59pm
mmmmmkay



toggletoggle post by RustedAngel at Jun 1,2005 3:07pm
whiskey_weed_and_women said:
the_reverend said:
"...or selling drugs."
wtf?


he's saying they're just beating people up not robbing or selling drugs. anyways it's all fucked up beating someone up because of their beliefs or lifestyle yeah kinda lame.



edge boondock saints.



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Jun 1,2005 3:15pm
goodfella's respect the sick sick mosh. edge up before you go wack this guy !



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Jun 1,2005 3:24pm
"(they) don’t engage in violence unless they can outnumber their targets, police said."

That sounds about right. Pussies.



toggletoggle post by RustedAngel at Jun 1,2005 3:25pm
largefreakatzero said:
"(they) don’t engage in violence unless they can outnumber their targets, police said."

That sounds about right. Pussies.


hahah that sounds about right in any case of gangs.



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Jun 1,2005 3:28pm
RustedAngel said:
largefreakatzero said:
"(they) don’t engage in violence unless they can outnumber their targets, police said."

That sounds about right. Pussies.


hahah that sounds about right in any case of gangs.


Pretty much.



toggletoggle post by dan. at Jun 1,2005 3:40pm
RustedAngel said:
I guess if people want to get fucked up all the time that's okay, so it's dumb to beat up random people because of it. Getting fucked up can effect other people though physically and mentally which I think is wrong.




i dont really get what you are trying to say here



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Jun 1,2005 3:42pm
dan. said:
RustedAngel said:
I guess if people want to get fucked up all the time that's okay, so it's dumb to beat up random people because of it. Getting fucked up can effect other people though physically and mentally which I think is wrong.




i dont really get what you are trying to say here


you ever know someone to have a junkie or an alcoholic for a parent, or friend.



toggletoggle post by RustedAngel at Jun 1,2005 3:44pm
whiskey_weed_and_women said:
dan. said:
RustedAngel said:
I guess if people want to get fucked up all the time that's okay, so it's dumb to beat up random people because of it. Getting fucked up can effect other people though physically and mentally which I think is wrong.




i dont really get what you are trying to say here


you ever know someone to have a junkie or an alcoholic for a parent, or friend.


+1



toggletoggle post by dan. at Jun 1,2005 4:07pm
uh yeah, i got that part. i just dont get how the 2 sentences are mutually exclusive.



toggletoggle post by retzam at Jun 1,2005 5:34pm edited Jun 1,2005 5:34pm
Straight Edge people should be proud of themselves not doing drugs. They should use words and facts to discourage others to not do drugs. This is coming from someone that is not straight-edge by the way. The "edge scene" that's going on now is such bullshit. If I were you RA I wouldn't even call myself straight edge anymore; I could never assosiate myself with these low lifes. And I wouldn't say that the bit about outnumbering is the case for any gangs. Most actual gangs are made up largely of people who wouldn't think twice of fucking with someone "one on one", or even with two people, depending who those two people are. I've never heard of a police description of anything so accurate as this one. They covered all their bases, reinforcing both the senselessness of these attacks and the fact that most straight-edge people don't participate in these ridiculous activities.

The bottom line is when I hear the phrase "straight edge", the first thing that comes to mind is these assholes. The phrase barely means anything else to me now. When someone tells me they're straight-edge, I immediately feel deterred from the person, and it has nothing to do with the actual meaning of the phrase.



toggletoggle post by dan. at Jun 1,2005 6:21pm
i had to read that 5 times because of all the blood that started gushing out of my eyes when i got half way through the first



toggletoggle post by __THeMoor__  at Jun 1,2005 7:40pm
makes me ashamed to be straight edge.

gangs are stupid. cliques are stupid. all these straight edge kids are just flat out hypocrites. assholes...



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Jun 1,2005 7:45pm edited Jun 1,2005 7:57pm
stay away im dangerous! dont make me fuckin force my beliefs on you!
the only thing i hate about people who drink and stuff are the constant "want a beer" jokes... or people that dont respect your ideas. eitherway there is no need to not respect the lifestyle and ideas of others.
i only keep the label because of a never forget your roots kind thing.



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jun 1,2005 8:34pm
Fucking dumbasses. I've known about the shit that goes down in Utah for a while, which is equally retarded, and the fact that it's getting that ridiculous in other areas furthers the retardation. I myself am straightedge, but by no means would ever fight or even argue with someone about drinking, smoking, or doing drugs. I don't even 'X up' or dumb shit like that. I bet 90% of the kids involved in these beatings and "gang activities" have never even heard of Ian MacKaye and never heard a Minor Threat song. It is beyond ridiculous that people have to show they're straightedge by fighting someone with 10 other kids. I'd rather hang out with a bunch of strung out heroin junkies than violent straightedge kids...ok, maybe I'd rather hang out with neither, haha. Even though all that bullshit makes every straightedge person look bad, I'll never be ashamed to say I'm straightedge, but parading it like it's a fucking trophy in any way, shape or form is fucking dumb, especially in such violent manners. I challenge all of them to a duel. ::slap::



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jun 1,2005 8:41pm
These kids heard about straight edge from that AFI video with the ninja dancing.



toggletoggle post by Sinistas   at Jun 1,2005 8:44pm
MarkFuckingRichards said:
parading it like it's a fucking trophy


I think that's the general perception that gives the straight edge scene a bad rap. I sure as fuck respect the right to live a substance-free lifestyle, and I'd hope that the opposite is true as well.



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jun 1,2005 9:03pm
Sinistas said:
MarkFuckingRichards said:
parading it like it's a fucking trophy


I think that's the general perception that gives the straight edge scene a bad rap. I sure as fuck respect the right to live a substance-free lifestyle, and I'd hope that the opposite is true as well.


i hear ya there man; where i'm from there are/were a shitload of straightedge kids, so it's never been a privilege or anything of that sort to be straightedge. it's not like winning the lottery or being knighted or some bullshit. i for one enjoy going to parties that involve heavy drinking and some drug use; some people just take it too far for my tolerance level, so i just deal with it or leave, whatever. i have no problem with whatever anyone does with their body, just as long as it's not forced on anyone else.




toggletoggle post by __THeMoor__  at Jun 2,2005 3:59pm
agreed. as soon as you start parading around any image it becomes hypocritical. i thought metal was supposed to be viod of image? who the hell cares what you look like, just get angry and enjoy the music sort of thing...whatever happened to that?

X-ing it up is dumb. joining gangs is dumb.
be yourself, keep it to yourself.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 2,2005 4:01pm
being yourself is so played out.



toggletoggle post by yummy at Jun 2,2005 10:29pm
oppression in its finest form.



toggletoggle post by powerkok   at Jun 2,2005 10:50pm
what the fuckity fuck is X-ing it up?



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Jun 3,2005 1:21am
"Xing up" is when you take a big black magic marker and putting dumb x'es on your hands to signify and make it clear to everyone and their mother that you are straightedge...but will most likely end up strung out on coke by the ripe age of 24



toggletoggle post by niccolai nli at Jun 3,2005 9:18am
Micky Park up in this mud...

Yea Yea Yea
You plus me, it doesn't equal us.
You took my car, now I gotta take the bus.
I though I had a girl that I could trust.
I guess i never knew my calc-u-lus
(we're breakin' up)



toggletoggle post by joe/notcommon   at Jun 3,2005 11:05am
"Members — who sometimes use bats, shovels, knives, brass knuckles and Mace — don’t engage in violence unless they can outnumber their targets, police said. "

Sounds like the south shore hardcore scene. Someone summon Back of tha Neck to make a gay reply to my post.



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