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:	post by ShadowSD at 2009-11-25 08:33:04

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Vastly vastly different from any bands before them, and if you can provide some counterexamples from blues or even hard rock from the 60's that go along the same lines as the Sabbath songs I cited, go ahead.

Sir Lord Baltimore, Iron Butterfly, Blue Cheer, Mountain, even Cream here and there. Not saying they were just like Sabbath, but close enough that I wouldn't say Sabbath was some radical totally new thing.

Are there songs by those bands where they're doing the kind of chord progressions in Paranoid (like say i VI VII i) or using the tritone in the pronounced and sustained way the song Black Sabbath does, which is completely foreign to rock and blues? Those are two examples of staples of metal that have been echoed countless times since by countless bands, but really didn't exist among the bands you listed, at least in the examples I can think of. If you can think of individual songs that do these things, I am willing to be corrected.

Cream from time to time is the only possible exception I would concede thus far (White Room would qualify as a metal composition in my view), but my point is that part of what set apart Sabbath from other bands of the same era is while there where tons of bands in the early to mid 70's who played mostly hard rock but would also play a metal song from time to time, Sabbath played metal the vast majority of the time - and could therefore correctly be called the first metal band. With the exception of "Fluff" and parts of "The Wizard" I can't think of anything Sabbath does that isn't metal. However, when people talk about Led Zepplin or Cream or others being the first metal band, I cringe, because metal was only a fraction of what they did; the same could be said for Aerosmith and Kiss for that matter, they played their rock songs and they played their metal songs, but neither could credibly be called a metal band only. Sabbath played metal songs almost exclusively, and that's one thing that really set them apart - both in terms of focusing on the genre before anyone else did, and the contributions to the genre that resulted.

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