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:	post by orgymf@work at 2009-01-05 14:05:47

MikeofDecrepitude said

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old school "hardcore punk", "crust" and "fast hardcore" is real hardcore. this wigger shit calling itself h.c. (25 ta life, earth crisis, etc.) is not....it's wigger slam before the blastbeats....this crap evolved into victory records, which evolved into wigger slam dm..... it's not real hardcore, any more than cradle of filth is real black metal. just my opinion

When I think of bands who have beatdown parts that you describe as "wigger slam", I think of Bulldoze, Cease 2 Exist, Billy Club Sandwich, Shattered Realm. All bands that are or were sick.

thay may be sick....that's fine
you may enjoy them....that's fine.

but the basic point is if there are slam/mosh/beatdown parts...it is not true to what hardcore originally was, hardcore was just a harsher, angrier (and sometimes faster) form of punk.

Misfits, Minor Threat = hardcore
Romantic Gorilla, Spazz = fast hardcore/crust

heavy/tough guy/beatdown = watered down version of slow death metal minus the growling, played by gang members (and/or wannabe gang members) in baggy clothing and sports jerseys.

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