PatMeebles said:

ShadowSD said:

Historically speaking, it is far greater danger to us that we will let our freedoms erode ourselves than that we will lose them trying to protect them.

Because Habeus Corpus was never reinstated, and because the Japanese were never freed from the internment camps.

Look at the bigger picture, and you're actually proving my point. The Japanese Internment camps set the standard for Guantanamo. Except now, we have a war with no forseeable end, so holding people for a few years without trial becomes precedent for holding them forever without trial. (I have no intention to debate Gitmo with you all over again, my point here is the slippery slope argument.)

PatMeebles said:

And I never said I was a strict idealist.

I didn't say you were, actually I was commending the realism of that argument on its surface, I only questioned its application given historical context.